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		<title>By: Life After Coffee &#187; Sun Fire T2000 vs. Sun Fire V440</title>
		<link>http://www.lifeaftercoffee.com/2006/03/17/sunfire-t2000-try-and-buy/comment-page-1/#comment-626</link>
		<dc:creator>Life After Coffee &#187; Sun Fire T2000 vs. Sun Fire V440</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 May 2006 00:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Thanks to the diligence of my coworker Scott Maziarz we have been able to run some practical performance tests on the new Sun Fire T2000 we got on a try and buy program from Sun. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Thanks to the diligence of my coworker Scott Maziarz we have been able to run some practical performance tests on the new Sun Fire T2000 we got on a try and buy program from Sun. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Trajano</title>
		<link>http://www.lifeaftercoffee.com/2006/03/17/sunfire-t2000-try-and-buy/comment-page-1/#comment-510</link>
		<dc:creator>Trajano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have 3 T2000s and tried them on a few different roles...

We are considering using one to replace a loaded V490 Oracle DB in production. We are doing a lot testing and so far it has been VERY positive. It&#039;s the one instance where the sales hype doesn&#039;t even do it justice, the performance on heavily multi-threaded load was amazing.

We also put one into an application server role and it seems to be out-performing our V280s by a long shot.

On the other hand we tried one as a Development box and it died a horrible death doing application builds - But that is one monster single thread...

So, from our experience the T2000 excels exactly on what the glossy states, multi-threads!
It&#039;s really worth developing Apps and program your DB with that in mind.

We have a similar situation to Adam, with large Oracle licensing costs - So, having a T2000 to replace a 4 CPU V490 is a great deal, specially considering that our currently licenses will cover a RAC with 3 T2000s nodes.

Best of luck to you. Just remember that if you have large processes you will really notice a performance degradation!

Oh, and we already have 2 more T2000s on the way...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have 3 T2000s and tried them on a few different roles&#8230;</p>
<p>We are considering using one to replace a loaded V490 Oracle DB in production. We are doing a lot testing and so far it has been VERY positive. It&#8217;s the one instance where the sales hype doesn&#8217;t even do it justice, the performance on heavily multi-threaded load was amazing.</p>
<p>We also put one into an application server role and it seems to be out-performing our V280s by a long shot.</p>
<p>On the other hand we tried one as a Development box and it died a horrible death doing application builds &#8211; But that is one monster single thread&#8230;</p>
<p>So, from our experience the T2000 excels exactly on what the glossy states, multi-threads!<br />
It&#8217;s really worth developing Apps and program your DB with that in mind.</p>
<p>We have a similar situation to Adam, with large Oracle licensing costs &#8211; So, having a T2000 to replace a 4 CPU V490 is a great deal, specially considering that our currently licenses will cover a RAC with 3 T2000s nodes.</p>
<p>Best of luck to you. Just remember that if you have large processes you will really notice a performance degradation!</p>
<p>Oh, and we already have 2 more T2000s on the way&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.lifeaftercoffee.com/2006/03/17/sunfire-t2000-try-and-buy/comment-page-1/#comment-351</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Apr 2006 23:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope to have some numbers soon.  Unfortunately we do not have the facility to simulate hundreds of sessions.  We&#039;re shooting for dozens running some very complex datamart and data warehousing scripts.

If you think the T2000 might be good for you apply for the try-and-buy program.  Their support thorugh the trial has been great and if we decide against it we&#039;re not into it for anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope to have some numbers soon.  Unfortunately we do not have the facility to simulate hundreds of sessions.  We&#8217;re shooting for dozens running some very complex datamart and data warehousing scripts.</p>
<p>If you think the T2000 might be good for you apply for the try-and-buy program.  Their support thorugh the trial has been great and if we decide against it we&#8217;re not into it for anything.</p>
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		<title>By: John Hurley</title>
		<link>http://www.lifeaftercoffee.com/2006/03/17/sunfire-t2000-try-and-buy/comment-page-1/#comment-339</link>
		<dc:creator>John Hurley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any more updates on where you are with benchmarking your T2000?

I would love to see some comparisons against V440.  Besides some single query benchmarks, how about some tests where you scale up to a 100/200/(whatever makes sense ) sessions?

We are &quot;thinking about&quot; how much the T2000 might make sense for us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any more updates on where you are with benchmarking your T2000?</p>
<p>I would love to see some comparisons against V440.  Besides some single query benchmarks, how about some tests where you scale up to a 100/200/(whatever makes sense ) sessions?</p>
<p>We are &#8220;thinking about&#8221; how much the T2000 might make sense for us.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
		<link>http://www.lifeaftercoffee.com/2006/03/17/sunfire-t2000-try-and-buy/comment-page-1/#comment-279</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Apr 2006 03:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not entirely sure how we&#039;re going to benchmark Oracle. That will be left with our DBA&#039;s. There are a number of queries that tend to grind our database to a halt as well which we will test against. We currently run an Oracle 10g RAC on four dual CPU HP DL380&#039;s. Our Oracle licensing fees are astronomical so we&#039;re looking to save money where possible.

I too am very impressed with Sun&#039;s ability to push 4 threads through a single core. Intel has the same ability but only on their single core CPU.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not entirely sure how we&#8217;re going to benchmark Oracle. That will be left with our DBA&#8217;s. There are a number of queries that tend to grind our database to a halt as well which we will test against. We currently run an Oracle 10g RAC on four dual CPU HP DL380&#8217;s. Our Oracle licensing fees are astronomical so we&#8217;re looking to save money where possible.</p>
<p>I too am very impressed with Sun&#8217;s ability to push 4 threads through a single core. Intel has the same ability but only on their single core CPU.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.lifeaftercoffee.com/2006/03/17/sunfire-t2000-try-and-buy/comment-page-1/#comment-278</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Apr 2006 03:46:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s great to hear Adam!  How are you going to measure performance of your Oracle stuff?  I&#039;m planning on throwing some long, complex queries at the db and comparing run time against our V440s.

I wonder how Sun is achieving 32 threads on an 8 core, single processor chip.  I&#039;m somewhat familiar with hyper-threading, but it seems like Sun is doing more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s great to hear Adam!  How are you going to measure performance of your Oracle stuff?  I&#8217;m planning on throwing some long, complex queries at the db and comparing run time against our V440s.</p>
<p>I wonder how Sun is achieving 32 threads on an 8 core, single processor chip.  I&#8217;m somewhat familiar with hyper-threading, but it seems like Sun is doing more.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Apr 2006 03:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got my T2000 try-and-buy yesterday. I spent today benchmarking it as an Apache server and am VERY impressed. A single T2000 would be able to replace our web cluster of four dual cpu V210&#039;s.

In the comming weeks we will put Oracle 10g on it as well as test it in our appliation cluster. 

Initial impressions? Wow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got my T2000 try-and-buy yesterday. I spent today benchmarking it as an Apache server and am VERY impressed. A single T2000 would be able to replace our web cluster of four dual cpu V210&#8217;s.</p>
<p>In the comming weeks we will put Oracle 10g on it as well as test it in our appliation cluster. </p>
<p>Initial impressions? Wow.</p>
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		<title>By: Life After Coffee &#187; Getting Started with the Sun Fire T2000</title>
		<link>http://www.lifeaftercoffee.com/2006/03/17/sunfire-t2000-try-and-buy/comment-page-1/#comment-272</link>
		<dc:creator>Life After Coffee &#187; Getting Started with the Sun Fire T2000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Mar 2006 19:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] After receiving my try-and-buy Sun Fire T2000 over a week ago it&#8217;s finally up and running. While we have yet to hit it with much of a load, here are some thoughts on the out-of-box experience: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] After receiving my try-and-buy Sun Fire T2000 over a week ago it&#8217;s finally up and running. While we have yet to hit it with much of a load, here are some thoughts on the out-of-box experience: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.lifeaftercoffee.com/2006/03/17/sunfire-t2000-try-and-buy/comment-page-1/#comment-270</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Mar 2006 15:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Omer said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;I want to ask if Oracle runs without a problem on this system? We are in the process of buying v440 server or T2000 series. One thing that I have noticed that it comes with one CPU and multiple core. By the way can Solaris 8 be installed on T2000? Have you tried to install that? I really need some advice about this situation.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I responded:

Omer, I have to admit that we have not had time to get Oracle on the T2000 yet.  We just got it up and running yesterday in fact.  We&#039;re hoping to get Oracle on it later today.
 
I can tell you that we run several v440s with Oracle on them and they perform very well.  We have them configured with 4 processors and 8GB RAM and run several Oracle 9 databases on them with no problems.
 
From what I have read, the T2000 requires Solaris 10, but I&#039;m sure the Sun sales guys could advise you on that.  We have no intentions here to change the OS out.
 
As I get a chance to test more on this system I will post my findings on my blog.  Thanks for your interest.
 
Jon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Omer said:</p>
<blockquote><p>I want to ask if Oracle runs without a problem on this system? We are in the process of buying v440 server or T2000 series. One thing that I have noticed that it comes with one CPU and multiple core. By the way can Solaris 8 be installed on T2000? Have you tried to install that? I really need some advice about this situation.</p></blockquote>
<p>I responded:</p>
<p>Omer, I have to admit that we have not had time to get Oracle on the T2000 yet.  We just got it up and running yesterday in fact.  We&#8217;re hoping to get Oracle on it later today.</p>
<p>I can tell you that we run several v440s with Oracle on them and they perform very well.  We have them configured with 4 processors and 8GB RAM and run several Oracle 9 databases on them with no problems.</p>
<p>From what I have read, the T2000 requires Solaris 10, but I&#8217;m sure the Sun sales guys could advise you on that.  We have no intentions here to change the OS out.</p>
<p>As I get a chance to test more on this system I will post my findings on my blog.  Thanks for your interest.</p>
<p>Jon</p>
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